Plato's Republic

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Book I
What is justice? Why should we be just?

Cephalus - Justice means living up to your legal obligations and being honest. - Socrates - Its like returning weapon to a madman.. he'll kill people.

Polemarchus - Justice means that you owe friends help, and you owe enemies harm. - Socrates - we are not always friends with the most virtuous, nor are our enemies always teh scum of society

Thrasymachus , sophist - Justice is nothing more than the advantage of the stronger-- it does not pay to be just.Justice is a conventon imposed on us, and it does not benefit us to adhere to it. The rational thing is to ignore it. - Socrates 1. This promotes injustice as a virtue. In his view, life is like a continual competition to get more. And whoever is most successful has the most virtue? Thats bullshit! mathematicians dont compete with others, etc 2. In order to reach any of Thrasymachus' goals, you must atleast be moderately just to even follow them. 3. Since justice is a virtue of the soul, and virtue of teh soul means health of the soul, justice is desirable because it means health of the soul.

Book II

Glaucon - All good can be divided into 3 classes: 1. Things we desire for consequences (physical training, medical treatment) 2. Things we desire for their own sake (joy) 3. Things we desire for own sake and for what we get from them (knowledge, sight, health) - highest class

- Most people class justice in the first group, as a necessary evil, allowing suffer in order to avoid greater evil that would befall us. Justice is not something practiced for its own sake (not like health and etc), but for something one engages in out of fear and weakness.
- Glaucon.. invokes the legend of the ring of Gyges, imagines giving a ring to a man to make him invisible -- This tale proves that people are only just because they are afraid of punishment for…...

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